No. When I first noticed his Y-DNA match to me on Ancestry.com I sent him
an email and he responded. We sent a few emails back and forth immediately
after that - all were very brief. But it has been a long time since I last
heard from him. I do remember his Y-DNA match was a perfect match to mine.
I seem to have a lot of DNA matches on both sides of my family to people
who were adopted and don't know the names of their biological parents. Most
are rather distant cousins so there is little hope of finding the common
ancestor. It must be very frustrating for them and I wish I could help them
more.
-Don
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:18 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com> wrote:
> Have corresponded with the male Cooley of our haplotype whose father was
> adopted in St Louis MO? He tested at ancestry. I was unable to convince to
> transfer his results to ftdna.
>
> > All good points Michael, although I think the 12-13-15-16 signature for
> > DYS464 is very rare. I've only seen it with our Cooley line. Check out
> the
> > R1a Project spreadsheet on FTDNA. BTW, in the R1a Project we are listed
> as
> > R1a Clade L448 - Cluster B4 on page 5 of that spreadsheet. Somerled and
> > most of the hundreds of the McDonalds who have done Y-DNA tests are
> > 12-15-15-16 at DYS464 (just like our Pennsylvania Cooleys).
> >
> > On another topic, some may have noticed FTDNA Family Finder's redesign.
> > Here's a review:
> >
> http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2013/10/03/ftdna-redesign-good-bad-and-ugly/
> .
> >
> > Oh, and this is strange. I just found a 2nd cousin (or 1st cousin, once
> > removed) through 23andMe's Relative Finder. She is the closest DNA match
> > of
> > the over 1800 cousins 23andMe has found for my mom. (My mom appears to be
> > her Grand Aunt.) The woman my mom and I matched was born in December
> 1972
> > in Columbia, MO, and within weeks adopted, so she doesn't she know the
> > names of her biological parents. (Likely the biological father had the
> > last
> > name Bowers.) Now here is the strange part: the man who adopted her
> (James
> > O'Shea, b 1947) descends from the Joseph Cooley who is a son of our John
> > Cooley. How amazing is that! I'm a cousin to both her biological father
> > (on
> > my mom's Bowers side) AND her adopted father (on my father's Cooley
> side).
> >
> > Here is what she said yesterday:
> >
> > "At risk of sounding too much like Walt Disney, it is a small world. As
> it
> > turns out my adopted father's grandmother was a Cooley, thereby making me
> > a
> > Cooley squared (once by adoption and once by birth) :) I looked at both
> of
> > our family trees and the common ancestor there is John Cooley b. 1738 in
> > Stokes County, North Carolina.
> > Here is my lineage on my adoptive side:
> >
> > John Cooley b1738/Joseph Cooley b1765/John Cooley b1793/Joseph Cooley b
> > 1817/Joseph Cooley b 1850/Lee Etta Cooley b1873/Ruby Sparkman
> b1895/Louila
> > Davis b1914/James O'Shea b1947"
> >
> >
> > -Don
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 1:50 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> You may be right but a couple of things give me pause. Although it's
> >> certain that William was born in PA, the 1880s bio for him states that
> >> the
> >> family came from NC. Of course, we know that those bios are often
> >> erroneous, but it fits. If there's any truth to it, would it mean that
> >> the
> >> family had gone to PA from NC or did the family move to NC sometime
> >> after
> >> Wm's birth before going to Ohio? I think only the written record will
> >> settle that.
> >>
> >> The 12-13-15-16 are fast mutating. I'm not sure how much we can tell
> >> about
> >> those, except that they are consistent for the three PA testers, meaning
> >> that they likely had a common ancestor. But the mutation could have
> >> occurred in the father's generation. I'm no longer holding on to much
> >> hope
> >> that John was their mutual ancestor, but I don't think those markers--at
> >> this point--can rule that out.
> >>
> >> Finally, most early Cooley lineages have been DNA tested. Although the
> >> size of John's family exploded, it was a small minority and disticlty
> >> different (DNA-wise) to the others, which suggests, I think, that it did
> >> not have a long lineage in America.
> >>
> >> There may some DNA surprises to come, but I think we're close to it
> >> being
> >> played out. Our best bet for resolving it at this point may not be with
> >> DNA but genealogy.
> >>
> >> Nevertheless, I'll see what I can do about finding descendants for some
> >> of
> >> these other PA Cooleys. William's and James's father might well have
> >> been
> >> listed.
> >>
> >> -Michael
> >>
> >> > I've been speculating for a long time that all Cooleys who descend
> >> from
> >> > the
> >> > John Cooley of Stokes Co., NC, born about 1738 is 12-13-15-16 at Y-DNA
> >> > marker DYS464. (Let's call these the "Southern" Cooleys.) Those who
> >> don't
> >> > have those values at that marker descend from an earlier Cooley
> >> ancestor
> >> > than John, but not John himself. All the Pennsylvania (or "Northern")
> >> > Cooleys are 12-15-15-16 at that marker. (BTW, the Pennsylvania values
> >> are
> >> > the modal R1a values for DYS464.)
> >> >
> >> > I think the difference of the "Northern" and "Southern" Cooley
> >> branches
> >> at
> >> > this marker is a significant because (if true) I think it throws doubt
> >> on
> >> > John Cooley being the kid transported by the British to Virginia in
> >> 1753.
> >> > It also (I think) makes it more likely that our first Cooley ancestor
> >> to
> >> > set foot in America was not John, but his father or grandfather or
> >> even
> >> > further back. I think the Pennsylvania Cooleys makes it more likely
> >> that
> >> > the father or grandfather of John Cooley lived north of Virginia &
> >> North
> >> > Carolina. Maybe in Pennsylvania - maybe even north of there. I realize
> >> > that
> >> > there are other Cooley lines who lived in those Northern American
> >> Colonies
> >> > whose Y-DNA we don't match, but that doesn't mean that our Cooley
> >> > immigrant
> >> > didn't come from there.
> >> >
> >> > I'm actually excited about this because we have a chance now for a
> >> > breakthrough in finding who the immigrant Cooley was. We have a chance
> >> to
> >> > find a Cooley ancestor born before John in 1738. In order to do so I
> >> think
> >> > our best bet is to try to find the father (or fathers) of the earliest
> >> > known Pennsylvania Cooleys. I'm betting he lived in Pennsylvania or
> >> > Colonies north of it.
> >> >
> >> > -Don
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:03 PM, <ancestr2_at_host187.hostmonster.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> The rest of the markers for the second Wm H Cooley tester have come
> >> in.
> >> >> Kit #305732:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Cooley/default.aspx?section=yresults
> >> >>
> >> >> I've also posted them here, just below Edmond's results, which I
> >> think
> >> >> is
> >> >> a little easier to read:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://ancestraldata.com/ftdna/compare.cgi?Cooley/CF01.db+284548
> >> >>
> >> >> As mentioned earlier, the mismatch at DYS439 went away, but the
> >> others
> >> >> have held. Before passing judgement on that, we need to remember that
> >> >> the
> >> >> WMC and Perrin Sr descendants match the 12 repeats at DYS442. But we
> >> now
> >> >> know that Jim Cooley is not descended from WMC. To a degree, that
> >> match
> >> >> was a false lead. But I think the 15 repeats at loci 23 and the 18
> >> >> repeats
> >> >> at loci 32 for the three "PA Cooley" testers are telling.
> >> >>
> >> >> So, were William Henry and James of Jack County TX brothers? I think
> >> we
> >> >> have a strong genetic case for it. But the genealogy needs to be
> >> done.
> >> >> We
> >> >> know they were both born in PA and both lived in Ohio before moving
> >> to
> >> >> Illinois, but that's about it.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Michael
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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> >> >> information.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
> >> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
> >> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
> >> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
> >> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
> >> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
> >> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
> >> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
> >> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong Learning
> >> Institute (OLLI)
> >> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
> >>
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> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
> Instructor "Genealogy and Family History," the Osher Lifelong Learning
> Institute (OLLI)
> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>
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