I've wondered if Harriet could be a sister to Perrin C and not a wife?
Bonnie
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Mary Lou Cooley <mlcooley_at_q.com> wrote:
> Thank you.
>
> I don't have any information on Harriet b. ~1846 but had wondered if this
> was actually Nellie who would have been 4-5 months old. And why Perrin was
> Perrin Cooley, Jr in 1849.
>
> I am not home currently either. My Mother's funeral service is today in
> Hood River, OR. I look forward to hearing from you when we are all back
> home.
>
> Mary C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 11:25 PM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>
> Ill be home tomorrow and take a look at it and see if I can find where it
> ca=
> me from. It's been a while since I added anyone to Perrin's tree so I can't
> r=
> ecall offhand. His wives confuse me as it is.
>
> I do know its Perrin C in LaPlata ( probably laplatte misspelled) LaPlata
> is=
> only about 20 miles or so from Macon Missouri,iirc, and Macon County is
> ne=
> ighboring Randolph County. =20
>
> By an odd coincidence I lived in Macon for a few years. I had hoped being
> s=
> o close I would be able to discover new information, but all of the
> original=
> records I found there were already available online.
>
> Jackson would probably be our best bet as its the capital for record info
> on=
> the Missouri branches of the Cooleys.
>
> If I remember correctly, some of the census records put Perrin born in
> Kentu=
> cky. Though I believe the later ones say Mo.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:52 PM, "Mary Lou Cooley" <mlcooley_at_q.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for responding. I was wondering about the death date of abt
> > 186=
> 4=20
> > for Emeline Sutton - where it might have come from.
> >=20
> > Mary C.
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----=20
> > From: Julie
> > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:57 AM
> > To: John Cooley Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
> >=20
> > That tree Terrizaz is my mother's tree that I manage for her ( if there
> > ar=
> e=20
> > a=3D
> > ny errors please let me know :) )
> > Joel and Nancy had some of the pictures of the Cooleys, my mom and=20
> > grandpare=3D
> > nts had the others, so I know that Joel and I are cousins fairly close
> > and=
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> > t=3D
> > hat much is right.=3D20
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> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 17, 2014, at 10:28 AM, "Mary Lou Cooley" <mlcooley_at_q.com> wrote:
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> >> Does anyone know who this tree belongs to? I saw on Ancestry.com=20
> >> yesterda=3D
> > y=3D20
> >> (before their website went down):
> >> =3D20
> >> Family Tree: Towner Family Tree
> >> Owner: terrizaz
> >> =3D20
> >> On this tree was a photo of Nellie Woods with her daughter Daisey
> >> Woods.=20=
>
> >> O=3D
> > n=3D20
> >> the back is written, "sister of Joseph Cooley" (I think it was Joseph=20
> >> C=3D20=3D
> >=20
> >> Cooley but I can't get on Ancestry website to confirm). Nellie was
> >> born=20=
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> >> 0=3D
> > 1=3D20
> >> Feb 1859 in Holt Co., MO in this tree. I believe there was also a=20
> >> death=3D20=3D
> >=20
> >> certificate for Nellie listing her father as Perrin Cooley but
> >> mother's=20=
>
> >> na=3D
> > me=3D20
> >> was unknown. Mother was listed on the website as Emeline Sutton.
> >> =3D20
> >> This is the 1900 census for Nellie:
> >> 1900 United States Federal Census
> >> Name: Nellie Woods
> >> Age: 43
> >> Birth Date: May 1857
> >> Birthplace: Indiana
> >> Home in 1900: St Joseph Ward 6, Buchanan, Missouri
> >> Race: White
> >> Gender: Female
> >> Relation to Head of House: Wife
> >> Marital Status: Married
> >> Spouse's Name: Francis Woods
> >> Marriage Year: 1875
> >> Years Married: 25
> >> Father's Birthplace: Indiana
> >> Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
> >> Mother: number of living children: 1
> >> Mother: How many children: 1
> >> Household Members: Name Age
> >> Francis Woods 54 (b. Indiana)
> >> Nellie Woods 43
> >> Daisey Woods 20 (b. Kansas)
> >> ~~~~~~
> >> Nellie married John Francis Woods b. Dec 1846 in IN (per 1900 census).
> >> =3D20
> >> Sorry, to be so vague but I didn't save photo before Ancestry website=20
> >> went=3D
> > =3D20
> >> down.
> >> =3D20
> >> Mary C.
> >> =3D20
> >> -----Original Message-----=3D20
> >> From: Michael Cooley
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:25 AM
> >> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
> >> =3D20
> >> Yeah, that's how I've had it on my "Y page" for years. In 1810,
> >> Perrin=20=
>
> >> had=3D
> >=20
> >> four sons--and Perrin Jr hadn't even yet been born (if we can believe
> >> the=
>
> >> date, c1813, that we have for him). William was born c1804. John
> >> wouldn't=
>
> >> have been born much later--likely earlier. There may have been two
> >> births=
>
> >> c1799-1802. A thought here. Old genealogies give the birth of your=20
> >> James's=3D
> >=20
> >> son John H Cooley as 1802. For a number of reasons, I don't think it was
> >> right, just as I think James's James's birthdate was wrongly given as (I
> >> think) 1796/7 (I'd have to look at old emails.) Perhaps the evidence
> >> attributed to James's James and John H were for Perrin's children. In
> >> other words, it may have been Perrin's John that was born in 1802. If
> >> true, that does leave a good window for the the birth of another son.
> >> But=
>
> >> if James had a second deceased brother other than John, why didn't also
> >> make provisions for his children in his estate, as he did with John's
> >> heirs?
> >> =3D20
> >> It's also possible that Perrin C and/or the John Cooley (m Treadwell)=20
> >> were=3D
> >=20
> >> unacknowledged sons of either Perrin Sr or his son John. In 1840,
> >> Perrin=20=
>
> >> C=3D
> >=20
> >> was likely living with Perrin Jr, and John (m Treadwell) may have
> >> been=20=
>
> >> the=3D
> >=20
> >> boy of about the right age to be living with Perrin Sr.
> >> =3D20
> >> The possibilities boggle the mind. But the DNA data is helping to point
> >> the way. I'm still hoping for a "magic SNP". :)
> >> =3D20
> >> Somewhere in my 1991 and 1992 correspondence with Jo White Linn, she
> >> said=
>
> >> that Perrin was an important name in Virginia. I've tried following
> >> through with the notion a few times but really found nothing.
> >> =3D20
> >> -Michael
> >> =3D20
> >> =3D20
> >> On Tue, June 17, 2014 1:35 am, lvcooley5 wrote:
> >>> Though there have been stranger scenarios, it seems most likely that
> >>> Perrin C. is the son of a deceased son of Perrin Sr. The 1800 Stokes
> >>> Census lists 2 males under 10, which would have been James (1797)
> >>> and, presumably, Perrin C's father (let's call him Joseph?)
> >>> =3D20
> >>> Are there any unaccounted-for Missouri marriages circa 1820?
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >>> PS Has anyone ever mentioned before that there is an unincorporated
> >>> town in Gloucester County, Virginia, called Perrin? It's due east
> >>> of=3D=
> 20
> >>> Hayes
> >>> in the area that also includes the Perrin River. There was a prominent
> >>> Perrin family there pre-1700 but so far I haven't found
> >>> any gold.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> Jim
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Michael Cooley
> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:48 PM
> >>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> >>> Subject: Perrin C Cooley
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >>> The parentage of Perrin C Cooley has been one of the group's enduring
> >>> mysteries. The name Perrin, his birth in Missouri, and his
> >>> descendants'=20=
>
> >>> Y=3D
> >=20
> >>> DNA make it certain that he is one of ours.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >>> We know from Gloria's discovery of the probate record of Perrin Sr's=20
> >>> son,=3D
> >=20
> >>> James, had brothers John (m Martha Bearden) and Perrin. Of course, most
> >>> of us assumed that Perrin was Perrin Jr--and that may be true.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> Then Gloria made another discovery a few months ago--that her autosomes
> >>> have a matching segment to Jack Cooley, Perrin C's descendant. The
> >>> predicted relationship is 4th to 5th cousins. Here's a page I put
> >>> together at that time:
> >>> =3D20
> >>> http://ancestraldata.com/staging/N70352-autosomes.html
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >>> The first question that needed be settled was whether the match indeed
> >>> came down through the Cooleys. That's been largely resolved. Gloria's
> >>> mother, a Cooley descendant, has tested. Her results exhibit the same
> >>> markers that Gloria has. That greatly increases the likelihood that the
> >>> match comes down through a Cooley common ancestor.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> But the match, as I explain in this paragraph, reveal nothing more
> >>> about=
>
> >>> the degree of relationship with Jack. Typically, a child is going to
> >>> inherit a smaller portion (if any at all) of the matching segment. (The
> >>> genome needs to make room for a host of new ancestral DNA derived from
> >>> the second parent.) For example, my dad's autosomes have a reasonably
> >>> large match to Jack's uncle. I inherited less than a third of it.=20
> >>> However=3D
> > ,
> >>> Gloria inherited virtually all of her mother's matching segment, which
> >>> (I
> >>> would think) is typically within the range of common possibilities. The
> >>> upshot of that is that the predicted relation between Gloria's
> >>> mother=20=
>
> >>> and=3D
> >=20
> >>> Jack is pretty much the same as that for Gloria and Jack.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >>> In playing around with the results, I can tweak the parameters of the
> >>> online tools I use and search for very small matching segments which,
> >>> individually, are quite trivial. However, Gloria has only about one=20
> >>> third=3D
> >=20
> >>> of those matches to Jack then her mother does. I'm my no means an
> >>> expert=
>
> >>> in autosomal DNA, but there might be something there that can hep us
> >>> fine-tune the relationship prediction.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> For now, we're still left with the dilemma: who was Perrin C's
> >>> father.=20=
>
> >>> If=3D
> >=20
> >>> we can determine the degree of relationship, we might be able to answer
> >>> that question. I've started a project to help us examine the
> >>> autosomes=20=
>
> >>> of=3D
> >=20
> >>> John's descendants. If any of you have tested, please consider joining
> >>> by sending me an email.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> http://johncooley.net/johnsauto/
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >>> I'm still of the opinion that Perrin might have had a fifth as of yet
> >>> identified son. The 1800 and 1810 census records suggest at the
> >>> possibility. The 1840 census for "Derrin" Cooley of Randolph County, MO
> >>> has two men 20-29. One would have been Perrin Jr. Could the other be
> >>> Perrin C, who would have been 20 that year? The census entries for=20
> >>> Perrin=3D
> >=20
> >>> Sr includes a boy 10-14. Was he a grandson? If so, could he have been
> >>> the son of this missing 5th son of Perrin's? We know that John Cooley
> >>> (1827-1900+) m Sarah Ann Treadwell was born in Missouri. Is this him?
> >>> If=
>
> >>> so, might he and Perrin C have been brothers? I'm on the hunt for a Y
> >>> descendant of John's.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.html
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >>> BTW, we've found a tester in the Cooley/Hardin line.
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
> >>> -Michael
> >>> =3D20
> >>> =3D20
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