Well we know Perrin C was married multiple times, 4 if I remember correctly ( one of the census records stated it)
Margaret was his last wife, and while they do have a marriage record for 1889 they were married before that, at least 15 years... We do not have their first marriage record..perhaps lost or destroyed?
Before Margaret I am unsure who his other wives were, and I don't know who Nellie's mother was, nor could I find a census with her as a child.
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On Jun 22, 2014, at 1:06 PM, "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com> wrote:
> Sandy brought that up a couple of years ago. But she has 13 Mar 1889 as
> the marriage date. I've out her down as possible wife of Perrin Jr because
> Lucinda died in 1876, and Perrin was alive and a widower in 1880. I guess
> it's not that unusual for him to have married again at that late a date. I
> she was elderly too she too might have died by the 1900 census. Unless we
> find local obits or burial records, we may never know more. It would be
> something for you to look into while you're there.
>
> -Michael
>
> On Sun, June 22, 2014 2:41 pm, Julie wrote:
>> I don't have any info for Emeline Sutton, but I do have a marriage record
>> fo= r a Perrin (transcribed as Perrice) Cooley and an Eliza Rudolph in
>> Kirksvill=
>> e in 1849
>>
>>
>> Do we know which Perrin that is? Seems like Perrin C just because of his
>> lo= cation ( don't know if Jr often traveled that far north) but I'm not
>> familia= r at all with Eliza Rudolph... Not even sure how I found that
>> record.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:52 PM, "Mary Lou Cooley" <mlcooley_at_q.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Thank you for responding. I was wondering about the death date of abt
>>> 186=
>> 4=20
>>
>>> for Emeline Sutton - where it might have come from. =20
>>> Mary C.
>>> =20
>>> -----Original Message-----=20
>>> From: Julie
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:57 AM
>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>>> =20
>>> That tree Terrizaz is my mother's tree that I manage for her ( if there
>>> ar=
>> e=20
>>> a=3D ny errors please let me know :) ) Joel and Nancy had some of the
>>> pictures of the Cooleys, my mom and=20 grandpare=3D nts had the others,
>>> so I know that Joel and I are cousins fairly close and=
>> =20
>>
>>> t=3D hat much is right.=3D20 =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> =20
>>> On Jun 17, 2014, at 10:28 AM, "Mary Lou Cooley" <mlcooley_at_q.com> wrote:
>>> =20
>>>
>>>> Does anyone know who this tree belongs to? I saw on Ancestry.com=20
>>>> yesterda=3D
>>> y=3D20
>>>> (before their website went down):
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Family Tree: Towner Family Tree
>>>> Owner: terrizaz
>>>> =3D20
>>>> On this tree was a photo of Nellie Woods with her daughter Daisey
>>>> Woods.=20=
>>
>>>> O=3D
>>> n=3D20
>>>> the back is written, "sister of Joseph Cooley" (I think it was
>>>> Joseph=20
>>>> C=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>> Cooley but I can't get on Ancestry website to confirm). Nellie was
>>>> born=20=
>>
>>>> 0=3D
>>> 1=3D20
>>>
>>>> Feb 1859 in Holt Co., MO in this tree. I believe there was also a=20
>>>> death=3D20=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>> certificate for Nellie listing her father as Perrin Cooley but
>>>> mother's=20=
>>
>>>> na=3D
>>> me=3D20
>>>> was unknown. Mother was listed on the website as Emeline Sutton.
>>>> =3D20
>>>> This is the 1900 census for Nellie:
>>>> 1900 United States Federal Census
>>>> Name: Nellie Woods
>>>> Age: 43
>>>> Birth Date: May 1857
>>>> Birthplace: Indiana
>>>> Home in 1900: St Joseph Ward 6, Buchanan, Missouri
>>>> Race: White
>>>> Gender: Female
>>>> Relation to Head of House: Wife
>>>> Marital Status: Married
>>>> Spouse's Name: Francis Woods
>>>> Marriage Year: 1875
>>>> Years Married: 25
>>>> Father's Birthplace: Indiana
>>>> Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
>>>> Mother: number of living children: 1
>>>> Mother: How many children: 1
>>>> Household Members: Name Age
>>>> Francis Woods 54 (b. Indiana)
>>>> Nellie Woods 43
>>>> Daisey Woods 20 (b. Kansas)
>>>> ~~~~~~
>>>> Nellie married John Francis Woods b. Dec 1846 in IN (per 1900 census).
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Sorry, to be so vague but I didn't save photo before Ancestry
>>>> website=20 went=3D
>>> =3D20
>>>
>>>> down. =3D20
>>>> Mary C.
>>>> =3D20
>>>> -----Original Message-----=3D20
>>>> From: Michael Cooley
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:25 AM
>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Yeah, that's how I've had it on my "Y page" for years. In 1810,
>>>> Perrin=20=
>>
>>>> had=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>> four sons--and Perrin Jr hadn't even yet been born (if we can believe
>>>> the=
>>
>>>> date, c1813, that we have for him). William was born c1804. John
>>>> wouldn't=
>>
>>>> have been born much later--likely earlier. There may have been two
>>>> births=
>>
>>>> c1799-1802. A thought here. Old genealogies give the birth of your=20
>>>> James's=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>> son John H Cooley as 1802. For a number of reasons, I don't think it
>>>> was right, just as I think James's James's birthdate was wrongly given
>>>> as (I think) 1796/7 (I'd have to look at old emails.) Perhaps the
>>>> evidence attributed to James's James and John H were for Perrin's
>>>> children. In other words, it may have been Perrin's John that was born
>>>> in 1802. If true, that does leave a good window for the the birth of
>>>> another son. But=
>>
>>>> if James had a second deceased brother other than John, why didn't
>>>> also make provisions for his children in his estate, as he did with
>>>> John's
>>>> heirs? =3D20
>>>> It's also possible that Perrin C and/or the John Cooley (m
>>>> Treadwell)=20
>>>> were=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>> unacknowledged sons of either Perrin Sr or his son John. In 1840,
>>>> Perrin=20=
>>
>>>> C=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>> was likely living with Perrin Jr, and John (m Treadwell) may have
>>>> been=20=
>>
>>>> the=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>> boy of about the right age to be living with Perrin Sr. =3D20
>>>> The possibilities boggle the mind. But the DNA data is helping to
>>>> point the way. I'm still hoping for a "magic SNP". :) =3D20
>>>> Somewhere in my 1991 and 1992 correspondence with Jo White Linn, she
>>>> said=
>>
>>>> that Perrin was an important name in Virginia. I've tried following
>>>> through with the notion a few times but really found nothing. =3D20
>>>> -Michael
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> On Tue, June 17, 2014 1:35 am, lvcooley5 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Though there have been stranger scenarios, it seems most likely
>>>>> that Perrin C. is the son of a deceased son of Perrin Sr. The 1800
>>>>> Stokes
>>>>> Census lists 2 males under 10, which would have been James (1797)
>>>>> and, presumably, Perrin C's father (let's call him Joseph?) =3D20
>>>>> Are there any unaccounted-for Missouri marriages circa 1820?
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> PS Has anyone ever mentioned before that there is an unincorporated
>>>>> town in Gloucester County, Virginia, called Perrin? It's due east
>>>>> of=3D=
>> 20
>>
>>>>> Hayes
>>>>> in the area that also includes the Perrin River. There was a
>>>>> prominent Perrin family there pre-1700 but so far I haven't found
>>>>> any gold. =3D20
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Michael Cooley
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:48 PM
>>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Perrin C Cooley
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> The parentage of Perrin C Cooley has been one of the group's
>>>>> enduring mysteries. The name Perrin, his birth in Missouri, and his
>>>>> descendants'=20=
>>
>>>>> Y=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>>> DNA make it certain that he is one of ours.
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> We know from Gloria's discovery of the probate record of Perrin
>>>>> Sr's=20
>>>>> son,=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>>> James, had brothers John (m Martha Bearden) and Perrin. Of course,
>>>>> most of us assumed that Perrin was Perrin Jr--and that may be true.
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> Then Gloria made another discovery a few months ago--that her
>>>>> autosomes have a matching segment to Jack Cooley, Perrin C's
>>>>> descendant. The predicted relationship is 4th to 5th cousins. Here's
>>>>> a page I put together at that time: =3D20
>>>>> http://ancestraldata.com/staging/N70352-autosomes.html
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> The first question that needed be settled was whether the match
>>>>> indeed came down through the Cooleys. That's been largely resolved.
>>>>> Gloria's
>>>>> mother, a Cooley descendant, has tested. Her results exhibit the
>>>>> same markers that Gloria has. That greatly increases the likelihood
>>>>> that the match comes down through a Cooley common ancestor. =3D20
>>>>> But the match, as I explain in this paragraph, reveal nothing more
>>>>> about=
>>
>>>>> the degree of relationship with Jack. Typically, a child is going
>>>>> to inherit a smaller portion (if any at all) of the matching
>>>>> segment. (The genome needs to make room for a host of new ancestral
>>>>> DNA derived from
>>>>> the second parent.) For example, my dad's autosomes have a
>>>>> reasonably large match to Jack's uncle. I inherited less than a
>>>>> third of it.=20 However=3D
>>> ,
>>>
>>>>> Gloria inherited virtually all of her mother's matching segment,
>>>>> which (I
>>>>> would think) is typically within the range of common possibilities.
>>>>> The
>>>>> upshot of that is that the predicted relation between Gloria's
>>>>> mother=20=
>>
>>>>> and=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>>> Jack is pretty much the same as that for Gloria and Jack.
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> In playing around with the results, I can tweak the parameters of
>>>>> the online tools I use and search for very small matching segments
>>>>> which, individually, are quite trivial. However, Gloria has only
>>>>> about one=20 third=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>>> of those matches to Jack then her mother does. I'm my no means an
>>>>> expert=
>>
>>>>> in autosomal DNA, but there might be something there that can hep
>>>>> us fine-tune the relationship prediction. =3D20
>>>>> For now, we're still left with the dilemma: who was Perrin C's
>>>>> father.=20=
>>
>>>>> If=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>>> we can determine the degree of relationship, we might be able to
>>>>> answer that question. I've started a project to help us examine the
>>>>> autosomes=20=
>>
>>>>> of=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>>> John's descendants. If any of you have tested, please consider
>>>>> joining by sending me an email. =3D20
>>>>> http://johncooley.net/johnsauto/
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> I'm still of the opinion that Perrin might have had a fifth as of
>>>>> yet identified son. The 1800 and 1810 census records suggest at the
>>>>> possibility. The 1840 census for "Derrin" Cooley of Randolph
>>>>> County, MO
>>>>> has two men 20-29. One would have been Perrin Jr. Could the other be
>>>>> Perrin C, who would have been 20 that year? The census entries
>>>>> for=20 Perrin=3D
>>> =20
>>>
>>>>> Sr includes a boy 10-14. Was he a grandson? If so, could he have
>>>>> been the son of this missing 5th son of Perrin's? We know that John
>>>>> Cooley
>>>>> (1827-1900+) m Sarah Ann Treadwell was born in Missouri. Is this
>>>>> him? If=
>>
>>>>> so, might he and Perrin C have been brothers? I'm on the hunt for a
>>>>> Y
>>>>> descendant of John's. =3D20
>>>>> http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.html
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> BTW, we've found a tester in the Cooley/Hardin line.
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> -Michael
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
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>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
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