I'm curious if Emma was born in 1811, was her marriage a 2nd marriage? Not that it's impossible, but 38 years old would be quite old for a first marriage back then.
Gloria
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From: Bonnie & Craig Lillywhite <clillywhite_at_gmail.com>
To: John Cooley Mailing List <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
I have Perrin C as md 1) Polly Wood. This is only from hearsay, no proof, Wife number 2) Emeline Sutton on 9 Apr 1849 in Macon County, MO.(However she is not w/him in 1850. Did she die right away?) Wife 3) Margaret Ann Reed, the 1910 census of Maudlow, Gallatin, Montana, says they were md 47 years, (or 1863), however there is a marriage recorded on 27 Mar 1891 in Adair County, MO. That marriage lists Margaret as Reed and Cooley. Because of that it seems that for some reason they needed to be married again. I think I have mentioned before that I believe I am also related to Margaret as my Reed line is found in Adair and Macon Counties.
As far as Emma Cooley, dau of Perrin (b 25 Dec 1811 in MO, although MO was not a state at that time), she is listed as Emely on her marriage to William Perry Murley on 15 Nov 1849 Macon County, and as Emily on census records. The only place she is listed as Emma is on the Find A Grave site. I have traced the children of that marriage and found several in CA death indexes. They do list their mother as a Cooley.
Bonnie
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com> wrote:
He was nearly 30 by the time he married Emeline. It's certainly possible
>he was married before that. I think the Polly Wood marriage happened in
>the early 1850s.
>
>
>On Mon, June 23, 2014 12:19 am, Julie wrote:
>> Well we know Perrin C was married multiple times, 4 if I remember
>> correctly (= one of the census records stated it)
>>
>> Margaret was his last wife, and while they do have a marriage record for
>> 188=
>> 9 they were married before that, at least 15 years... We do not have their
>> f= irst marriage record..perhaps lost or destroyed?
>>
>> Before Margaret I am unsure who his other wives were, and I don't know
>> who N= ellie's mother was, nor could I find a census with her as a
>> child.=20
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 1:06 PM, "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>> wrote:=
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sandy brought that up a couple of years ago. But she has 13 Mar 1889 as
>>> the marriage date. I've out her down as possible wife of Perrin Jr
>>> because=
>>
>>> Lucinda died in 1876, and Perrin was alive and a widower in 1880. I
>>> guess it's not that unusual for him to have married again at that late a
>>> date. I=
>>
>>> she was elderly too she too might have died by the 1900 census. Unless
>>> we find local obits or burial records, we may never know more. It would
>>> be something for you to look into while you're there. =20
>>> -Michael
>>> =20
>>> On Sun, June 22, 2014 2:41 pm, Julie wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't have any info for Emeline Sutton, but I do have a marriage
>>>> record=
>>
>>>> fo=3D r a Perrin (transcribed as Perrice) Cooley and an Eliza Rudolph
>>>> in Kirksvill=3D
>>>> e in 1849 =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Do we know which Perrin that is? Seems like Perrin C just because of
>>>> his=
>>
>>>> lo=3D cation ( don't know if Jr often traveled that far north) but
>>>> I'm no=
>>>>
>> t
>>>> familia=3D r at all with Eliza Rudolph... Not even sure how I found
>>>> that record. =20
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:52 PM, "Mary Lou Cooley" <mlcooley_at_q.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for responding. I was wondering about the death date of
>>>>> abt 186=3D
>>>>>
>>>> 4=3D20
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>> for Emeline Sutton - where it might have come from. =3D20 Mary C.
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> -----Original Message-----=3D20
>>>>> From: Julie
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:57 AM
>>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> That tree Terrizaz is my mother's tree that I manage for her ( if
>>>>> there ar=3D
>>>> e=3D20
>>>>> a=3D3D ny errors please let me know :) ) Joel and Nancy had some of
>>>>> the pictures of the Cooleys, my mom and=3D20 grandpare=3D3D nts had
>>>>> the othe=
>> rs,
>>>>> so I know that Joel and I are cousins fairly close and=3D
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>> t=3D3D hat much is right.=3D3D20 =3D20 =3D20
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2014, at 10:28 AM, "Mary Lou Cooley" <mlcooley_at_q.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know who this tree belongs to? I saw on
>>>>>> Ancestry.com=3D20
>>>>>> yesterda=3D3D
>>>>> y=3D3D20
>>>>>> (before their website went down):
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> Family Tree: Towner Family Tree
>>>>>> Owner: terrizaz
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> On this tree was a photo of Nellie Woods with her daughter Daisey
>>>>>> Woods.=3D20=3D
>>>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>> O=3D3D
>>>>>>
>>>>> n=3D3D20
>>>>>> the back is written, "sister of Joseph Cooley" (I think it was
>>>>>> Joseph=3D20
>>>>>> C=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>>>
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cooley but I can't get on Ancestry website to confirm). Nellie
>>>>>> was born=3D20=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>> 0=3D3D
>>>>>>
>>>>> 1=3D3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>> Feb 1859 in Holt Co., MO in this tree. I believe there was also
>>>>>> a=3D20=
>>
>>>>>> death=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>> certificate for Nellie listing her father as Perrin Cooley but
>>>>>> mother's=3D20=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>> na=3D3D
>>>>> me=3D3D20
>>>>>> was unknown. Mother was listed on the website as Emeline Sutton.
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> This is the 1900 census for Nellie:
>>>>>> 1900 United States Federal Census
>>>>>> Name: Nellie Woods
>>>>>> Age: 43
>>>>>> Birth Date: May 1857
>>>>>> Birthplace: Indiana
>>>>>> Home in 1900: St Joseph Ward 6, Buchanan, Missouri
>>>>>> Race: White
>>>>>> Gender: Female
>>>>>> Relation to Head of House: Wife
>>>>>> Marital Status: Married
>>>>>> Spouse's Name: Francis Woods
>>>>>> Marriage Year: 1875
>>>>>> Years Married: 25
>>>>>> Father's Birthplace: Indiana
>>>>>> Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
>>>>>> Mother: number of living children: 1
>>>>>> Mother: How many children: 1
>>>>>> Household Members: Name Age
>>>>>> Francis Woods 54 (b. Indiana)
>>>>>> Nellie Woods 43
>>>>>> Daisey Woods 20 (b. Kansas)
>>>>>> ~~~~~~
>>>>>> Nellie married John Francis Woods b. Dec 1846 in IN (per 1900
>>>>>> census). =3D3D20
>>>>>> Sorry, to be so vague but I didn't save photo before Ancestry
>>>>>> website=3D20 went=3D3D
>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>> down. =3D3D20 Mary C.
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----=3D3D20
>>>>>> From: Michael Cooley
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:25 AM
>>>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> Yeah, that's how I've had it on my "Y page" for years. In 1810,
>>>>>> Perrin=3D20=3D
>>>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>> had=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>> four sons--and Perrin Jr hadn't even yet been born (if we can
>>>>>> believe the=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>> date, c1813, that we have for him). William was born c1804. John
>>>>>> wouldn't=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>> have been born much later--likely earlier. There may have been
>>>>>> two births=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>> c1799-1802. A thought here. Old genealogies give the birth of
>>>>>> your=3D20=
>>
>>>>>> James's=3D3D
>>>>>>
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>> son John H Cooley as 1802. For a number of reasons, I don't think
>>>>>> it was right, just as I think James's James's birthdate was
>>>>>> wrongly given as (I think) 1796/7 (I'd have to look at old
>>>>>> emails.) Perhaps the evidence attributed to James's James and John
>>>>>> H were for Perrin's
>>>>>> children. In other words, it may have been Perrin's John that was
>>>>>> born in 1802. If true, that does leave a good window for the the
>>>>>> birth of another son. But=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>> if James had a second deceased brother other than John, why
>>>>>> didn't also make provisions for his children in his estate, as he
>>>>>> did with John's
>>>>>> heirs? =3D3D20 It's also possible that Perrin C and/or the John
>>>>>> Cooley (m
>>>>>> Treadwell)=3D20
>>>>>> were=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>> unacknowledged sons of either Perrin Sr or his son John. In 1840,
>>>>>> Perrin=3D20=3D
>>>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>> C=3D3D
>>>>>>
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>> was likely living with Perrin Jr, and John (m Treadwell) may have
>>>>>> been=3D20=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>> the=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>> boy of about the right age to be living with Perrin Sr. =3D3D20
>>>>>> The possibilities boggle the mind. But the DNA data is helping to
>>>>>> point the way. I'm still hoping for a "magic SNP". :) =3D3D20
>>>>>> Somewhere in my 1991 and 1992 correspondence with Jo White Linn,
>>>>>> she said=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>> that Perrin was an important name in Virginia. I've tried
>>>>>> following through with the notion a few times but really found
>>>>>> nothing. =3D3D20 -Michael
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> On Tue, June 17, 2014 1:35 am, lvcooley5 wrote:
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Though there have been stranger scenarios, it seems most likely
>>>>>>> that Perrin C. is the son of a deceased son of Perrin Sr. The
>>>>>>> 1800
>>>>>>> Stokes
>>>>>>> Census lists 2 males under 10, which would have been James
>>>>>>> (1797)
>>>>>>> and, presumably, Perrin C's father (let's call him Joseph?)
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> Are there any unaccounted-for Missouri marriages circa 1820?
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> PS Has anyone ever mentioned before that there is an
>>>>>>> unincorporated town in Gloucester County, Virginia, called
>>>>>>> Perrin? It's due east
>>>>>>> of=3D3D=3D
>>>> 20
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>>> Hayes
>>>>>>> in the area that also includes the Perrin River. There was a
>>>>>>> prominent Perrin family there pre-1700 but so far I haven't
>>>>>>> found any gold. =3D3D20 Jim
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Michael Cooley
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:48 PM
>>>>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Perrin C Cooley
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> The parentage of Perrin C Cooley has been one of the group's
>>>>>>> enduring mysteries. The name Perrin, his birth in Missouri, and
>>>>>>> his descendants'=3D20=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>>> Y=3D3D
>>>>>>>
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>>> DNA make it certain that he is one of ours.
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> We know from Gloria's discovery of the probate record of Perrin
>>>>>>> Sr's=3D20
>>>>>>> son,=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>>> James, had brothers John (m Martha Bearden) and Perrin. Of
>>>>>>> course, most of us assumed that Perrin was Perrin Jr--and that
>>>>>>> may be true. =3D3D20
>>>>>>> Then Gloria made another discovery a few months ago--that her
>>>>>>> autosomes have a matching segment to Jack Cooley, Perrin C's
>>>>>>> descendant. The predicted relationship is 4th to 5th cousins.
>>>>>>> Here's
>>>>>>> a page I put together at that time: =3D3D20
>>>>>>>
http://ancestraldata.com/staging/N70352-autosomes.html
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> The first question that needed be settled was whether the match
>>>>>>> indeed came down through the Cooleys. That's been largely
>>>>>>> resolved. Gloria's
>>>>>>> mother, a Cooley descendant, has tested. Her results exhibit the
>>>>>>> same markers that Gloria has. That greatly increases the
>>>>>>> likelihood that the match comes down through a Cooley common
>>>>>>> ancestor. =3D3D20 But the match, as I explain in this paragraph,
>>>>>>> reveal nothing more about=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>>> the degree of relationship with Jack. Typically, a child is
>>>>>>> going to inherit a smaller portion (if any at all) of the
>>>>>>> matching segment. (The genome needs to make room for a host of
>>>>>>> new ancestral DNA derived from
>>>>>>> the second parent.) For example, my dad's autosomes have a
>>>>>>> reasonably large match to Jack's uncle. I inherited less than a
>>>>>>> third of it.=3D20 However=3D3D
>>>>> ,
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gloria inherited virtually all of her mother's matching
>>>>>>> segment, which (I would think) is typically within the range of
>>>>>>> common possibilities. The
>>>>>>> upshot of that is that the predicted relation between Gloria's
>>>>>>> mother=3D20=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>>> and=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jack is pretty much the same as that for Gloria and Jack.
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> In playing around with the results, I can tweak the parameters
>>>>>>> of the online tools I use and search for very small matching
>>>>>>> segments which, individually, are quite trivial. However, Gloria
>>>>>>> has only about one=3D20 third=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>>> of those matches to Jack then her mother does. I'm my no means
>>>>>>> an expert=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>>> in autosomal DNA, but there might be something there that can
>>>>>>> hep us fine-tune the relationship prediction. =3D3D20 For now,
>>>>>>> we're still left with the dilemma: who was Perrin C's
>>>>>>> father.=3D20=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>>> If=3D3D
>>>>>>>
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>>> we can determine the degree of relationship, we might be able
>>>>>>> to answer that question. I've started a project to help us
>>>>>>> examine the autosomes=3D20=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>>> of=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>>> John's descendants. If any of you have tested, please consider
>>>>>>> joining by sending me an email. =3D3D20
>>>>>>>
http://johncooley.net/johnsauto/
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> I'm still of the opinion that Perrin might have had a fifth as
>>>>>>> of yet identified son. The 1800 and 1810 census records suggest
>>>>>>> at the possibility. The 1840 census for "Derrin" Cooley of
>>>>>>> Randolph
>>>>>>> County, MO
>>>>>>> has two men 20-29. One would have been Perrin Jr. Could the
>>>>>>> other be Perrin C, who would have been 20 that year? The census
>>>>>>> entries for=3D20 Perrin=3D3D
>>>>> =3D20
>>>>> =20
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sr includes a boy 10-14. Was he a grandson? If so, could he
>>>>>>> have been the son of this missing 5th son of Perrin's? We know
>>>>>>> that John Cooley
>>>>>>> (1827-1900+) m Sarah Ann Treadwell was born in Missouri. Is this
>>>>>>> him? If=3D
>>>> =20
>>>>
>>>>>>> so, might he and Perrin C have been brothers? I'm on the hunt
>>>>>>> for a Y
>>>>>>> descendant of John's. =3D3D20
>>>>>>>
http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.html
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> BTW, we've found a tester in the Cooley/Hardin line.
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>> =3D3D20
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>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>> --=3D3D20
>>>>>> VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>>>>>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
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>>>>>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>>>>>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>>>>>> Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
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>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
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