Actually I decided not to order the cw pension since they were charging an arm and leg for them and I thought why would we really want them. I did order and sent to the list of his death certificate which didn't have the information that I was hoping for ---- his parents' name.
Sandy
On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:24 PM, Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com> wrote:
All that makes a lot of sense, Mary Lou. Good thinking!
If I recall correctly, I think Sandy ordered the pension record several
years ago. We were mostly concerned at the time about his parentage. For
me, at least, the subtleties of his life and marriages weren't not that
interesting. :) Boy, has that changed!
-Michael
On Tue, June 24, 2014 7:02 pm, Mary Lou Cooley wrote:
> I believe that Perrin C. & Margaret A. Cooley were in Missouri due to his
> application for Civil War pension in 1890 . He would need letters and
> declarations of his service from those who knew him in order to receive
> his pension certificate. Perhaps he & Margaret were never legally married
> or they divorced or? But in order for Margaret to be a beneficiary of his
> pension they would have to be married legally or have affidavits from
> several persons to prove their marriage was legal or common law. As far
> as the widow's pension application, Margaret would need this proof also.
> I
> would love to have his CW pension record! His service record is on Fold3
> but his pension is not there - yet!
>
> I appreciate your wordy responses. They keep me oriented and remind me
> of the connections. Thank you!
>
> Mary Lou C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Cooley
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 11:28 PM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: [Fwd: Re: 'Perien' Cooley obit]
>
>
> I've received a response from Lynn Voyles. Here it is, with my own
> usually-wordy response to her. (Feel free to scroll down!) She offers an
> explanation as to why Perrin's obit didn't show up in the books.
>
> ---------------------------- Original Message
> ----------------------------
> Subject: Re: 'Perien' Cooley obit
> From: "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com>
> Date: Tue, June 24, 2014 12:24 am
> To: lynnvoyles_at_aol.com
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Hi Lynn,
>
>
> Thanks for responding.
>
>
> The various Perrins have been difficult to sort out. Perrin C Cooley was
> born in 1820. He's one of the few Cooleys of our tribe for whom we haven't
> found parentage. We know that Perrin C is related because his
> descendants' Y chromosomes are a match to the other male Cooley in our
> clan who have tested. I mention him because it has longed been presumed
> that your Perrin (who we refer to as Perrin Cooley Jr) was the son of
> Perrin Cooley Sr who
> was probably born in Stokes County, North Carolina in 1769. Perrin was the
> son of John Cooley (born before 1740, probably died in Casey County KY,
> 1811).
>
>
> I think it was about a year ago that much of Perrin Sr's family was
> sorted out (which largely confirmed the speculation) with a descendant's
> discovery of the 1858 a Tennessee probate record for James Cooley--long
> believed to have been Perrin Sr's son. James was childless. For heirs, it
> names his siblings and the children of his deceased brother John Cooley
> (who we'd been searching for for years). In addition to John, it names
> brother Perrin. Still, our assumption is that that's Perrin (Perian) Jr.
> But now we have the mystery of matching autosomes between descendants of
> Perrin C Cooley and of the same John. The test estimates that these living
> descendants are 4th cousins. If accurate, that would make a case for
> Perrin C being Sr's son. (I know. It's confusing!)
>
>
> Perrin C and Perrin Jr were only nine years apart which makes them very
> difficult to sort out.
>
> Anyway, Perrin C was married three or four times. We know that most of
> his identified children from the mid 1850s onward were by Margaret A Reed.
> We
> believe she's the same woman he married in 1891 because it's undoubtedly
> the same woman he was living with in 1900 and (I believe) in 1910.
> (Perrin
> C Cooley died in 1912.) It's a mystery as to why they would have gotten
> married again (or for the first time in over 40 years). But it's also a
> mystery as to why they returned to Missouri to do it.
>
> I think the Eliza Rudolph marriage was probably to your Perrin, but we
> need more info.
>
> I found a bio today for William Perrin Murley--with that spelling. (I'll
> point a link to it below.) The spelling has been seen with every
> conceivable variation, but Perrin is certainly the most common and is
> certainly the most common spelling for the name overall--for the first
> and last name. I've become very interested him as he might have left some
> hint about his maternal grandfather and namesake. I think we'll probably
> find that the most commonly used spelling for William's middle name is
> Perrin.
>
>
> I'd all but given up on my Cooley research until 2006 when I was
> persuaded by distant Cooley cousins to check my Y chromosome. In fact, it
> revived my flagging interest in genealogy.
>
> I have a large rambling website for the Cooleys. You'll find what we've
> learned about John Cooley's patrilineal descendants at
>
>
http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/lineages/johncooley-desc.html
>
>
> Do a page search for Perrin Cooley Jr. Earlier today I added entries for
> his daughter and for her son William P. Click on William's name for a copy
> of the bio I mentioned above.
>
> I hope I've answered most of your questions--without confusing you! And
> thanks so much for posting the information. Because Perrin is listed in the
> 1840 census with no children we have always believed he had none. This
> opens a whole new line of inquiry for us.
>
> -Michael
>
>
> On Mon, June 23, 2014 10:18 pm, lynnvoyles_at_aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>
>> Michael, I am related to Emily Cooley, Perian / Perrin's daughter. I
>> just discovered there were several Perrin Cooleys.
>>
>> Emily Cooley (1834 - 1896) married William P. Murley Nov. 15, 1849 and
>> had a son named William Perian Murley. This family migrated to
>> California about 1850.
>>
>>
>>
>> I discovered that Emily 's father was Perian Cooley and have located
>> him in the census. His name is spelled Perrin in the census but his
>> obit spelled it as Perian. And, Emily did name her son William Perian.
>> I will
>> use his name as Perian to distinguish him from the others. Was his
>> father Perrin also ?
>>
>> The obit is from the La Plata Home Press. It was a snippet so it might
>> not have made it into the volume of obits for that paper. This is
>> what appeared.
>>
>>
>>
>> LA PLATA HOME PRESS, La Plata, Missouri, Thursday, Mar. 16, 1899
>> DROPPED DEAD
>> Uncle Perian Cooley, one of the oldest residents of Macon County,
>> dropped dead this morning at eight o'clock. He was in apparently good
>> health up to the time of his death, and had walked out to the wood pile
>> when death came. He was 87 years old last Christmas. The remains will
>> be interred in the La Plata Cemetery, the funeral being held in this
>> city tomorrow.
>>
>> For the Census I have this recorded:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 1850 CENSUS MISSOURI, Macon County, District No. 52 Being, family
>> 397:
>> Perrin Cooly 39 MO farmer, Lucinda 35 IL.
>> 1860 CENSUS MISSOURI, Macon County, West Richland Township, p.o.
>> Newburg, family 640:
>> Perrin Cooley 47 MO farmer $880/$500, Lucy 42 KY.
>> 1870 CENSUS MISSOURI, Macon County, Richland Township, p.o. La Plata,
>> family 80: Perrin Cooly 56 MO farmer /$200, Lucinda 51 KY
>> housekeeper. 1880 CENSUS MISSOURI, Macon County, La Plata Township,
>> family 123: Geo. Sikes 26 IL farmer, Mary 22 IL housekeeper, Perrin
>> Cooley 68 KY NC NC boarder
>> farming.
>>
>> All census list him born in MO except the 1880 census list KY. He
>> married Lucinda "Lucy" Carter Jan. 31, 1833 in Randolph Co. MO. It
>> appears the Cooley's were in MO before statehood (1821) and was in
>> Howard
>> Co as that county comprised the whole part of the state back then.
>> Macon
>> County did not become a county until 1837 (from Randolph).
>>
>>
>>
>> I have no other children for Perian and Lucy other than Emily.
>>
>>
>>
>> The dates I have for Perian and Lucy are:
>>
>>
>>
>> Perrin Dec. 25, 1811 - Mar. 16, 1899
>> Lucy Nov. 7, 1813 - Jan. 18 1878
>>
>>
>>
>> Lucy does have a stone, but Perian does not. Guess nobody was left to
>> put up a stone as Emily moved out to CA.
>>
>> Do you think Perian remarried after Lucy died in 1878 ? Can you
>> account for these Perrin Cooley marriages ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Perrice Cooley
>> Eliza Rudolph
>> 13 Mar 1889
>>
>>
>>
>> Adair
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Perrin C Cooley
>> Margret A Cooley
>> 27 Mar 1891
>>
>>
>>
>> Adair
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>> To: lynnvoyles <lynnvoyles_at_aol.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Jun 22, 2014 11:57 pm
>> Subject: "Perien" Cooley obit
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Lynn,
>>
>>
>>
>> The John Cooley Mailing list just discovered you entry for Perrin
>> Cooley
>> Jr from a year ago. We've been trying to get good dates on him for quite
>> awhile. We are excited to see his obit. One of our correspondents has
>> the four volumes of that newspaper but find no mention of him or his
>> wife. Can
>> you tell us more about it?
>>
>> I see from your profile that you're related to most of your entries.
>> Would
>> that be true of the Cooleys too?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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