Yeah, that's how I've had it on my "Y page" for years. In 1810, Perrin had
four sons--and Perrin Jr hadn't even yet been born (if we can believe the
date, c1813, that we have for him). William was born c1804. John wouldn't
have been born much later--likely earlier. There may have been two births
c1799-1802. A thought here. Old genealogies give the birth of your James's
son John H Cooley as 1802. For a number of reasons, I don't think it was
right, just as I think James's James's birthdate was wrongly given as (I
think) 1796/7 (I'd have to look at old emails.) Perhaps the evidence
attributed to James's James and John H were for Perrin's children. In
other words, it may have been Perrin's John that was born in 1802. If
true, that does leave a good window for the the birth of another son. But
if James had a second deceased brother other than John, why didn't also
make provisions for his children in his estate, as he did with John's
heirs?
It's also possible that Perrin C and/or the John Cooley (m Treadwell) were
unacknowledged sons of either Perrin Sr or his son John. In 1840, Perrin C
was likely living with Perrin Jr, and John (m Treadwell) may have been the
boy of about the right age to be living with Perrin Sr.
The possibilities boggle the mind. But the DNA data is helping to point
the way. I'm still hoping for a "magic SNP". :)
Somewhere in my 1991 and 1992 correspondence with Jo White Linn, she said
that Perrin was an important name in Virginia. I've tried following
through with the notion a few times but really found nothing.
-Michael
On Tue, June 17, 2014 1:35 am, lvcooley5 wrote:
> Though there have been stranger scenarios, it seems most likely that
> Perrin C. is the son of a deceased son of Perrin Sr. The 1800 Stokes
> Census lists 2 males under 10, which would have been James (1797)
> and, presumably, Perrin C's father (let's call him Joseph?)
>
> Are there any unaccounted-for Missouri marriages circa 1820?
>
>
> PS Has anyone ever mentioned before that there is an unincorporated
> town in Gloucester County, Virginia, called Perrin? It's due east of Hayes
> in the area that also includes the Perrin River. There was a prominent
> Perrin family there pre-1700 but so far I haven't found
> any gold.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Cooley
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:48 PM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Perrin C Cooley
>
>
> The parentage of Perrin C Cooley has been one of the group's enduring
> mysteries. The name Perrin, his birth in Missouri, and his descendants' Y
> DNA make it certain that he is one of ours.
>
>
> We know from Gloria's discovery of the probate record of Perrin Sr's son,
> James, had brothers John (m Martha Bearden) and Perrin. Of course, most
> of us assumed that Perrin was Perrin Jr--and that may be true.
>
> Then Gloria made another discovery a few months ago--that her autosomes
> have a matching segment to Jack Cooley, Perrin C's descendant. The
> predicted relationship is 4th to 5th cousins. Here's a page I put
> together at that time:
>
> http://ancestraldata.com/staging/N70352-autosomes.html
>
>
> The first question that needed be settled was whether the match indeed
> came down through the Cooleys. That's been largely resolved. Gloria's
> mother, a Cooley descendant, has tested. Her results exhibit the same
> markers that Gloria has. That greatly increases the likelihood that the
> match comes down through a Cooley common ancestor.
>
> But the match, as I explain in this paragraph, reveal nothing more about
> the degree of relationship with Jack. Typically, a child is going to
> inherit a smaller portion (if any at all) of the matching segment. (The
> genome needs to make room for a host of new ancestral DNA derived from
> the second parent.) For example, my dad's autosomes have a reasonably
> large match to Jack's uncle. I inherited less than a third of it. However,
> Gloria inherited virtually all of her mother's matching segment, which
> (I
> would think) is typically within the range of common possibilities. The
> upshot of that is that the predicted relation between Gloria's mother and
> Jack is pretty much the same as that for Gloria and Jack.
>
>
> In playing around with the results, I can tweak the parameters of the
> online tools I use and search for very small matching segments which,
> individually, are quite trivial. However, Gloria has only about one third
> of those matches to Jack then her mother does. I'm my no means an expert
> in autosomal DNA, but there might be something there that can hep us
> fine-tune the relationship prediction.
>
> For now, we're still left with the dilemma: who was Perrin C's father. If
> we can determine the degree of relationship, we might be able to answer
> that question. I've started a project to help us examine the autosomes of
> John's descendants. If any of you have tested, please consider joining
> by sending me an email.
>
> http://johncooley.net/johnsauto/
>
>
> I'm still of the opinion that Perrin might have had a fifth as of yet
> identified son. The 1800 and 1810 census records suggest at the
> possibility. The 1840 census for "Derrin" Cooley of Randolph County, MO
> has two men 20-29. One would have been Perrin Jr. Could the other be
> Perrin C, who would have been 20 that year? The census entries for Perrin
> Sr includes a boy 10-14. Was he a grandson? If so, could he have been
> the son of this missing 5th son of Perrin's? We know that John Cooley
> (1827-1900+) m Sarah Ann Treadwell was born in Missouri. Is this him? If
> so, might he and Perrin C have been brothers? I'm on the hunt for a Y
> descendant of John's.
>
> http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.html
>
>
> BTW, we've found a tester in the Cooley/Hardin line.
>
>
> -Michael
>
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