Thank you for responding. I was wondering about the death date of abt 1864
for Emeline Sutton - where it might have come from.
Mary C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Julie
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:57 AM
To: John Cooley Mailing List
Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
That tree Terrizaz is my mother's tree that I manage for her ( if there are
a=
ny errors please let me know :) )
Joel and Nancy had some of the pictures of the Cooleys, my mom and
grandpare=
nts had the others, so I know that Joel and I are cousins fairly close and
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hat much is right.=20
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On Jun 17, 2014, at 10:28 AM, "Mary Lou Cooley" <mlcooley_at_q.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know who this tree belongs to? I saw on Ancestry.com
> yesterda=
y=20
> (before their website went down):
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> Family Tree: Towner Family Tree
> Owner: terrizaz
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> On this tree was a photo of Nellie Woods with her daughter Daisey Woods.
> O=
n=20
> the back is written, "sister of Joseph Cooley" (I think it was Joseph
> C=20=
> Cooley but I can't get on Ancestry website to confirm). Nellie was born
> 0=
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> Feb 1859 in Holt Co., MO in this tree. I believe there was also a
> death=20=
> certificate for Nellie listing her father as Perrin Cooley but mother's
> na=
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> was unknown. Mother was listed on the website as Emeline Sutton.
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> This is the 1900 census for Nellie:
> 1900 United States Federal Census
> Name: Nellie Woods
> Age: 43
> Birth Date: May 1857
> Birthplace: Indiana
> Home in 1900: St Joseph Ward 6, Buchanan, Missouri
> Race: White
> Gender: Female
> Relation to Head of House: Wife
> Marital Status: Married
> Spouse's Name: Francis Woods
> Marriage Year: 1875
> Years Married: 25
> Father's Birthplace: Indiana
> Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
> Mother: number of living children: 1
> Mother: How many children: 1
> Household Members: Name Age
> Francis Woods 54 (b. Indiana)
> Nellie Woods 43
> Daisey Woods 20 (b. Kansas)
> ~~~~~~
> Nellie married John Francis Woods b. Dec 1846 in IN (per 1900 census).
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> Sorry, to be so vague but I didn't save photo before Ancestry website
> went=
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> down.
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> Mary C.
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> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: Michael Cooley
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:25 AM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
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> Yeah, that's how I've had it on my "Y page" for years. In 1810, Perrin
> had=
> four sons--and Perrin Jr hadn't even yet been born (if we can believe the
> date, c1813, that we have for him). William was born c1804. John wouldn't
> have been born much later--likely earlier. There may have been two births
> c1799-1802. A thought here. Old genealogies give the birth of your
> James's=
> son John H Cooley as 1802. For a number of reasons, I don't think it was
> right, just as I think James's James's birthdate was wrongly given as (I
> think) 1796/7 (I'd have to look at old emails.) Perhaps the evidence
> attributed to James's James and John H were for Perrin's children. In
> other words, it may have been Perrin's John that was born in 1802. If
> true, that does leave a good window for the the birth of another son. But
> if James had a second deceased brother other than John, why didn't also
> make provisions for his children in his estate, as he did with John's
> heirs?
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> It's also possible that Perrin C and/or the John Cooley (m Treadwell)
> were=
> unacknowledged sons of either Perrin Sr or his son John. In 1840, Perrin
> C=
> was likely living with Perrin Jr, and John (m Treadwell) may have been
> the=
> boy of about the right age to be living with Perrin Sr.
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> The possibilities boggle the mind. But the DNA data is helping to point
> the way. I'm still hoping for a "magic SNP". :)
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> Somewhere in my 1991 and 1992 correspondence with Jo White Linn, she said
> that Perrin was an important name in Virginia. I've tried following
> through with the notion a few times but really found nothing.
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> -Michael
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> On Tue, June 17, 2014 1:35 am, lvcooley5 wrote:
>> Though there have been stranger scenarios, it seems most likely that
>> Perrin C. is the son of a deceased son of Perrin Sr. The 1800 Stokes
>> Census lists 2 males under 10, which would have been James (1797)
>> and, presumably, Perrin C's father (let's call him Joseph?)
>>=20
>> Are there any unaccounted-for Missouri marriages circa 1820?
>>=20
>>=20
>> PS Has anyone ever mentioned before that there is an unincorporated
>> town in Gloucester County, Virginia, called Perrin? It's due east of=20
>> Hayes
>> in the area that also includes the Perrin River. There was a prominent
>> Perrin family there pre-1700 but so far I haven't found
>> any gold.
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>> Jim
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Cooley
>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:48 PM
>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>> Subject: Perrin C Cooley
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>>=20
>> The parentage of Perrin C Cooley has been one of the group's enduring
>> mysteries. The name Perrin, his birth in Missouri, and his descendants'
>> Y=
>> DNA make it certain that he is one of ours.
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>>=20
>> We know from Gloria's discovery of the probate record of Perrin Sr's
>> son,=
>> James, had brothers John (m Martha Bearden) and Perrin. Of course, most
>> of us assumed that Perrin was Perrin Jr--and that may be true.
>>=20
>> Then Gloria made another discovery a few months ago--that her autosomes
>> have a matching segment to Jack Cooley, Perrin C's descendant. The
>> predicted relationship is 4th to 5th cousins. Here's a page I put
>> together at that time:
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>> http://ancestraldata.com/staging/N70352-autosomes.html
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>>=20
>> The first question that needed be settled was whether the match indeed
>> came down through the Cooleys. That's been largely resolved. Gloria's
>> mother, a Cooley descendant, has tested. Her results exhibit the same
>> markers that Gloria has. That greatly increases the likelihood that the
>> match comes down through a Cooley common ancestor.
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>> But the match, as I explain in this paragraph, reveal nothing more about
>> the degree of relationship with Jack. Typically, a child is going to
>> inherit a smaller portion (if any at all) of the matching segment. (The
>> genome needs to make room for a host of new ancestral DNA derived from
>> the second parent.) For example, my dad's autosomes have a reasonably
>> large match to Jack's uncle. I inherited less than a third of it.
>> However=
,
>> Gloria inherited virtually all of her mother's matching segment, which
>> (I
>> would think) is typically within the range of common possibilities. The
>> upshot of that is that the predicted relation between Gloria's mother
>> and=
>> Jack is pretty much the same as that for Gloria and Jack.
>>=20
>>=20
>> In playing around with the results, I can tweak the parameters of the
>> online tools I use and search for very small matching segments which,
>> individually, are quite trivial. However, Gloria has only about one
>> third=
>> of those matches to Jack then her mother does. I'm my no means an expert
>> in autosomal DNA, but there might be something there that can hep us
>> fine-tune the relationship prediction.
>>=20
>> For now, we're still left with the dilemma: who was Perrin C's father.
>> If=
>> we can determine the degree of relationship, we might be able to answer
>> that question. I've started a project to help us examine the autosomes
>> of=
>> John's descendants. If any of you have tested, please consider joining
>> by sending me an email.
>>=20
>> http://johncooley.net/johnsauto/
>>=20
>>=20
>> I'm still of the opinion that Perrin might have had a fifth as of yet
>> identified son. The 1800 and 1810 census records suggest at the
>> possibility. The 1840 census for "Derrin" Cooley of Randolph County, MO
>> has two men 20-29. One would have been Perrin Jr. Could the other be
>> Perrin C, who would have been 20 that year? The census entries for
>> Perrin=
>> Sr includes a boy 10-14. Was he a grandson? If so, could he have been
>> the son of this missing 5th son of Perrin's? We know that John Cooley
>> (1827-1900+) m Sarah Ann Treadwell was born in Missouri. Is this him? If
>> so, might he and Perrin C have been brothers? I'm on the hunt for a Y
>> descendant of John's.
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>> http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.html
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>> BTW, we've found a tester in the Cooley/Hardin line.
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>> -Michael
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