Yes, it's getting interesting.
There are still too few DNA results to come to any real conclusion--and
too few testers who are joining the R1a group. There's something Don
pointed out some time ago that's looking more interesting, that the
12-15-15-16 at DYS464 may be older than our 12-13-15-16. Group 8 at
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1a/default.aspx?section=yresults is
replete with the former combination. Ours may well be younger and unique
and *might* preclude a close connection to the PA-born Cooleys depending,
of course, when the mutation occurred.
And maybe we are Cowleys, or lived at Cowley village or worked at Cowley
manor. The questions do come faster than the answers. :)
-Michael
On Wed, January 7, 2015 22:03, lvcooley5 wrote:
> Wow, there are tons of Cooleys popping up in Cheshire, Derbyshire,
> Yorkshire
> in the early 1700s. We're gonna need a bigger boat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Cooley
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:31 PM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Y-DNA SNP YP609
>
>
> Yes, Sterry is on my radar, too.
>
>
> I received the following response to my query on the facebook R1a group.
> One of the group admins responded. It turns out the the Hackett tester has
> tested Big Y. Presumably, he's YP609+. I still haven't heard back from
> him. And I like the comment about how the Cooleys and Hacketts may be
> carving out a niche. It might well be that Hackett could be the next best
> thing to finding a Cooley or Cowley in England.
>
> R1a Cooley is rare in the US. I've often commented that I think John was
> probably a lone wolf and then wondered a year or two ago whether he was
> merely of a small population since we were getting so few near matches to
> other surnames.
>
> I'm going to start looking more to Derbyshire and checking to see what
> Derbyshire residents immigrated to America during the period. *If* John
> was from there and *if* he was part of a larger movement, a pattern might
> appear, as it has for the Caroline county VA movement to the Town Creek
> Settlement. Maybe it's another false lead. But like the wise man said,
> "Following a false lead is better than following no lead at all." Or was
> that me? :-)
>
> --quote--
>
>
> Cooley's family nearest match: Mr. Hackett has the BIG-Y results.
> It looks that you're creating specific subclade with him
> with unusual set of few STRs:
>
> DYS390=24
> DYS385=11-13
> DYS449=33 (or higher)
> DYS576=17
> DYS511=11
>
>
> Of course it's prediction only - it would be good to confirm it with SNPs
> but we're sure thanks to your SNPs (Z284+ L448+) and GENO2 results of
> Cooley sample # N3690 that clan is under L448 line but negative for
> CTS4179
>
>
> YP355 is a 2nd big clade under "Young Scandinavian" L448 branch, what
> makes that prediction quite strong
>
> Marker YP355 is available, YP609 unfortunatelly NOT.
>
>
> --endquote--
>
>
> On Wed, January 7, 2015 15:22, Cooley wrote:
>
>> Men with surnames Whitfield, Hackett, Cochran and Sterry have matched
>> our Cooley Y-DNA. I checked http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/ to see
>> where these surnames are most common and it is Lancashire, England and
>> Lanarkshire, Scotland. The first names of our John Cooley's children
>> are by far most common in Lancashire, England of anywhere on Earth. That
>> area also has a fair amount of our Norse type Y-DNA. Of course this
>> doesn't prove our Cooley line came to America from Lancashire in
>> England, but it
>> seems likely our Cooleys at one time lived there or somewhere not too
>> far from there.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Neither SNP is available at Y-SEQ. I see their price has gone up to
>>> $35
>>> anyway. They've lost their competitive edge.
>>>
>>> If descendants of two of John's sons tested, we'd have all pre-John
>>> SNPs
>>> above the intersection of the two lines. Here's a little diagram I've
>>> put together...
>>>
>>> http://ancestraldata.com/staging/y.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The red line represents John. The SNPs above the line preceded him.
>>> Those
>>> below the line will differ between the two testers. It's that junction
>>> where start matching that we'll know we're in John territory. A
>>> handful of SNPs might be found that might tell us how the PA Cooleys
>>> are related.
>>>
>>> I haven't heard from the Hackett yet. Derbyshire had a John Cowley
>>> born around the same time as our John. His father was William.
>>>
>>> The easiest thing is to use the donation link at FTDNA. I have
>>> control over those funds. I'll put in a small amount next week. Those
>>> who add funds, state something like, "For Big-Y test CF01 only." Or
>>> specify the name of a tester, if you prefer.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=Cooley&vG
>>> ro up=Cooley
>>>
>>> -Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, January 6, 2015 19:25, Cooley wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I will order YP609 when it becomes available on FTDNA. (I just
>>>> checked and it isn't now.) And if that is positive I'll order
>>>> YP1100.
>>>> Regarding
>>>> the Big Y test, give me a couple of months to decide what to do. At
>>>> that point, I'll either order it paying for it entirely my myself
>>>> or I'll
>>>> contribute some money to help one of the male Cooleys get the test.
>>>> (I
>>>> don't care which one.) To be really meaningful, at least a few
>>>> Cooleys
>>>> need to take the Big Y test. (And at least one from the PA Cooleys.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By-the-way, I'm on Facebook if anyone wants to friend me. I'm
>>>> listed as "Don Cooley" of Fremont, CA. But be warned, I occasionally
>>>> post political stuff friendly to Progressives and unfriendly to
>>>> Conservatives. But 90%
>>>>
>>>>
>>> of
>>>> my posts are on science, math and history. I post 10 to 20 articles
>>>> a day.
>>>>
>>>> Happy New Year,
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Michael Cooley
>>>> <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> FYI...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like YP609 has been placed downstream of YP355 and
>>>>> upstream of YP618, which Don tested negative for. The R1a admins
>>>>> have designated us as YP609*. I'm not sure why. YP1100 is
>>>>> downstream of YP609.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> L448
>>>>> ..YP335
>>>>> ....YP609
>>>>> ......YP1100
>>>>> ....YP618
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://yfull.com/tree/R1a/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>>>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>>>>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>>>>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>>>>> Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
>>>>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>>>>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Pickens DNA Project
>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Strother DNA Project
>>>>> Instructor, the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute (OLLI)
>>>>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9b</a>
>>>>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list information.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>>> Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
>>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>>> Co-Administrator, the Pickens DNA Project
>>> Co-Administrator, the Strother DNA Project
>>> Instructor, the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute (OLLI)
>>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9b</a>
>>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list information.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
--
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Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
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Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the Pickens DNA Project
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Received on Thu Jan 08 2015 - 01:30:19 CST