Some of these trees can only be described as a "hot mess"! I found another one (by Tammy_Lander) that listed Nellie to see if there were more supporting records. This one had Perrin C Cooley, born in 1820 and a marriage record from Randolph County, MO attached for a marriage in 1833 (when he would have been 13?) to a Lucy Carter, but then Lucy isn't listed as either of the wives of Perrin C Cooley (Emaline Sutton and Margaret A Reed).
From: cynthia_nottingham_at_hotmail.com
To: list_at_johncooley.net; undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net
Subject: RE: Perrin C Cooley
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:05:30 -0700
Her death certificate is also attached and does list the father as Perrin Cooley. I've attached it to the mail.
> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 11:28:55 -0600
> From: mlcooley_at_q.com
> To: undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net
> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>
> Does anyone know who this tree belongs to? I saw on Ancestry.com yesterday
> (before their website went down):
>
> Family Tree: Towner Family Tree
> Owner: terrizaz
>
> On this tree was a photo of Nellie Woods with her daughter Daisey Woods. On
> the back is written, "sister of Joseph Cooley" (I think it was Joseph C
> Cooley but I can't get on Ancestry website to confirm). Nellie was born 01
> Feb 1859 in Holt Co., MO in this tree. I believe there was also a death
> certificate for Nellie listing her father as Perrin Cooley but mother's name
> was unknown. Mother was listed on the website as Emeline Sutton.
>
> This is the 1900 census for Nellie:
> 1900 United States Federal Census
> Name: Nellie Woods
> Age: 43
> Birth Date: May 1857
> Birthplace: Indiana
> Home in 1900: St Joseph Ward 6, Buchanan, Missouri
> Race: White
> Gender: Female
> Relation to Head of House: Wife
> Marital Status: Married
> Spouse's Name: Francis Woods
> Marriage Year: 1875
> Years Married: 25
> Father's Birthplace: Indiana
> Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
> Mother: number of living children: 1
> Mother: How many children: 1
> Household Members: Name Age
> Francis Woods 54 (b. Indiana)
> Nellie Woods 43
> Daisey Woods 20 (b. Kansas)
> ~~~~~~
> Nellie married John Francis Woods b. Dec 1846 in IN (per 1900 census).
>
> Sorry, to be so vague but I didn't save photo before Ancestry website went
> down.
>
> Mary C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Cooley
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:25 AM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>
> Yeah, that's how I've had it on my "Y page" for years. In 1810, Perrin had
> four sons--and Perrin Jr hadn't even yet been born (if we can believe the
> date, c1813, that we have for him). William was born c1804. John wouldn't
> have been born much later--likely earlier. There may have been two births
> c1799-1802. A thought here. Old genealogies give the birth of your James's
> son John H Cooley as 1802. For a number of reasons, I don't think it was
> right, just as I think James's James's birthdate was wrongly given as (I
> think) 1796/7 (I'd have to look at old emails.) Perhaps the evidence
> attributed to James's James and John H were for Perrin's children. In
> other words, it may have been Perrin's John that was born in 1802. If
> true, that does leave a good window for the the birth of another son. But
> if James had a second deceased brother other than John, why didn't also
> make provisions for his children in his estate, as he did with John's
> heirs?
>
> It's also possible that Perrin C and/or the John Cooley (m Treadwell) were
> unacknowledged sons of either Perrin Sr or his son John. In 1840, Perrin C
> was likely living with Perrin Jr, and John (m Treadwell) may have been the
> boy of about the right age to be living with Perrin Sr.
>
> The possibilities boggle the mind. But the DNA data is helping to point
> the way. I'm still hoping for a "magic SNP". :)
>
> Somewhere in my 1991 and 1992 correspondence with Jo White Linn, she said
> that Perrin was an important name in Virginia. I've tried following
> through with the notion a few times but really found nothing.
>
> -Michael
>
>
> On Tue, June 17, 2014 1:35 am, lvcooley5 wrote:
> > Though there have been stranger scenarios, it seems most likely that
> > Perrin C. is the son of a deceased son of Perrin Sr. The 1800 Stokes
> > Census lists 2 males under 10, which would have been James (1797)
> > and, presumably, Perrin C's father (let's call him Joseph?)
> >
> > Are there any unaccounted-for Missouri marriages circa 1820?
> >
> >
> > PS Has anyone ever mentioned before that there is an unincorporated
> > town in Gloucester County, Virginia, called Perrin? It's due east of
> > Hayes
> > in the area that also includes the Perrin River. There was a prominent
> > Perrin family there pre-1700 but so far I haven't found
> > any gold.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Cooley
> > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:48 PM
> > To: John Cooley Mailing List
> > Subject: Perrin C Cooley
> >
> >
> > The parentage of Perrin C Cooley has been one of the group's enduring
> > mysteries. The name Perrin, his birth in Missouri, and his descendants' Y
> > DNA make it certain that he is one of ours.
> >
> >
> > We know from Gloria's discovery of the probate record of Perrin Sr's son,
> > James, had brothers John (m Martha Bearden) and Perrin. Of course, most
> > of us assumed that Perrin was Perrin Jr--and that may be true.
> >
> > Then Gloria made another discovery a few months ago--that her autosomes
> > have a matching segment to Jack Cooley, Perrin C's descendant. The
> > predicted relationship is 4th to 5th cousins. Here's a page I put
> > together at that time:
> >
> > http://ancestraldata.com/staging/N70352-autosomes.html
> >
> >
> > The first question that needed be settled was whether the match indeed
> > came down through the Cooleys. That's been largely resolved. Gloria's
> > mother, a Cooley descendant, has tested. Her results exhibit the same
> > markers that Gloria has. That greatly increases the likelihood that the
> > match comes down through a Cooley common ancestor.
> >
> > But the match, as I explain in this paragraph, reveal nothing more about
> > the degree of relationship with Jack. Typically, a child is going to
> > inherit a smaller portion (if any at all) of the matching segment. (The
> > genome needs to make room for a host of new ancestral DNA derived from
> > the second parent.) For example, my dad's autosomes have a reasonably
> > large match to Jack's uncle. I inherited less than a third of it. However,
> > Gloria inherited virtually all of her mother's matching segment, which
> > (I
> > would think) is typically within the range of common possibilities. The
> > upshot of that is that the predicted relation between Gloria's mother and
> > Jack is pretty much the same as that for Gloria and Jack.
> >
> >
> > In playing around with the results, I can tweak the parameters of the
> > online tools I use and search for very small matching segments which,
> > individually, are quite trivial. However, Gloria has only about one third
> > of those matches to Jack then her mother does. I'm my no means an expert
> > in autosomal DNA, but there might be something there that can hep us
> > fine-tune the relationship prediction.
> >
> > For now, we're still left with the dilemma: who was Perrin C's father. If
> > we can determine the degree of relationship, we might be able to answer
> > that question. I've started a project to help us examine the autosomes of
> > John's descendants. If any of you have tested, please consider joining
> > by sending me an email.
> >
> > http://johncooley.net/johnsauto/
> >
> >
> > I'm still of the opinion that Perrin might have had a fifth as of yet
> > identified son. The 1800 and 1810 census records suggest at the
> > possibility. The 1840 census for "Derrin" Cooley of Randolph County, MO
> > has two men 20-29. One would have been Perrin Jr. Could the other be
> > Perrin C, who would have been 20 that year? The census entries for Perrin
> > Sr includes a boy 10-14. Was he a grandson? If so, could he have been
> > the son of this missing 5th son of Perrin's? We know that John Cooley
> > (1827-1900+) m Sarah Ann Treadwell was born in Missouri. Is this him? If
> > so, might he and Perrin C have been brothers? I'm on the hunt for a Y
> > descendant of John's.
> >
> > http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.html
> >
> >
> > BTW, we've found a tester in the Cooley/Hardin line.
> >
> >
> > -Michael
> >
> >
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